When Life Imitates Art: An Interview w/ The Spoiling Dead Fans Regarding Threats of Lawsuit from AMC

If you don’t know about The Spoiling Dead Fans yet, you’re probably not combing the internet daily for Walking Dead spoilers like a foaming, obsessed, psychopath me.


If you are like me and you do find yourself seeking all the latest TWD details and set leaks then you probably are aware of not just this site but the speed and accuracy with which this team delivers their spoilers. With a fanbase nearly half a million strong (affectionately dubbed The Spoiling Dead Fan Army) this fansite is becoming a major player in the spoiler game. So much so that even if you are not aware of them AMC is and that’s not as awesome as it might sound. After the devastating (for all the wrong reasons) season six cliffhanger finale, The Spoiling Dead Fans (TSDF) have been hard at work to deliver the goods about who exactly got “Lucilled” for those (like me) who simply can’t wait until October. This diligence, however, has found them in a bit of a pickle as explained in this recently issued statement on their forums…

Well Buttercups, we have some sad news to share today. After two years, AMC finally reached out to us! But it wasn’t a request not to post any info about the Lucille Victim or any type of friendly attempt at compromise, it was a cease and desist and a threat of a lawsuit by AMC Holdings, LLC’s attorney, Dennis Wilson. They say we can’t make any type of prediction about the Lucille Victim. Their stance is that making such a prediction would be considered copyright infringement. AMC tells us that we made some claim somewhere that says we received “copyright protected, trade secret information about the most critical plot information in the unreleased next season of The Walking Dead” and that we announced we were going to disclose this protected information. We still aren’t sure where we supposedly made this claim because they did not identify where it was.
The truth is, we have become victims of our own success. We hold a track record for accuracy and now AMC perceives us as a threat. We can understand why. We were once just a small community, but now we are 400,000 strong among all our outlets. The TSDF Army, originally named in jest, is now very real in this little cottage industry. We are a threat because of our accuracy. However, it was never our intention to cause harm to this show (and we don’t believe we have), only to satisfy the curiosity of thousands of fans who wanted what we offered. Millions of other fans tune in to this show unspoiled and are none the wiser about who we are. We are a dedicated community of enthusiastic, passionate fans that love this show so much we always want to know what’s going to happen and speculate on all those possibilities. Our spoilers are intended only for fans that seek them out to enhance their own viewing experience.
Basically what it all comes down to is if we post our Lucille Victim prediction and we’re right, AMC says they will sue us. Whether there are grounds for it or not is not the issue, it still costs money to defend. That is the way our justice system works. Would we have defenses? Sure. But it also costs money to mount that defense. If someone brings us a potential Lucille spoiler and we confirm it and it turns out accurate we could get sued. That doesn’t mean they’re right and we’re wrong, but like so many other situations in this world, they have the money and power and we do not. So we lose. In the past two years, AMC has filed several wrongful DMCA notices against us with full knowledge that we could not file counter-notices, hired investigators to intimidate our members, and threatened our local members with arrest, among other questionable acts. We’re also pretty sure they had something to do with the DOS attack on our site just before the finale last season. They have exhibited every quality of a bully pounding its chest. That sucks for us. It’s very disappointing to see the network that hosts our favorite show attack one of their biggest fan bases. Especially when they could have taken a more diplomatic approach that could have given them the same results.
Please respect our decision not to put our livelihoods at risk. AMC has been harassing us for four days now by contacting our homes, our family members and our employers; even posting on this page and personal social media accounts. We are fans of this show just like you and aren’t a commercial operation that makes profit. We have families and careers to think about. No spoiler will ever be worth compromising those things. If you think this makes us pussies that are bowing down to AMC then so be it.
After consultation with our legal counsel, we have responded to AMC that the TSDF staff will not be posting our prediction on who gets Lucilled on any of our outlets. We will also not be answering any questions about who we think it is. If you hear a potential spoiler elsewhere and bring it to us for confirmation, we will not confirm or deny it. If you message us privately and ask who we think gets Lucilled, we will not respond. The info may find another outlet on its own, but an official prediction will not come from the TSDF staff.
But let’s be real here. It’s unreasonable to think for a moment that the Lucille spoiler won’t come out before the air date. Our 2% of the viewership knows better. First, we aren’t the only spoiler business in the game. Also, simple observation and deduction can’t be prohibited. With much help, we have become very good at watching, listening, waiting, researching and separating the truth from the lies and being savvy when it comes to this show’s filming process. That typically reaches our goals. We are the reporters of this information. So while we will continue to post set reports, it will be up to you guys to take that information and make your own assumptions about who it is. We cannot assist by giving our speculation.
Just to clarify, we will continue to post all of our filming updates, eyewitness reports and all photos taken legally throughout the filming season just like we always have. We are by no means getting shut down. It’s still business as usual here, we just won’t be spoiling the biggest moment so far. Yes, we have taken a bit of a fall. But why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves back up again. (Thanks, Alfred!)
Very truly yours – The TSDF Staff

Being one who refreshes their page many times a day waiting for my precious spoilers, I was crushed by this news and immediately packed my things to embark on an epic quest for answers. After realizing I wouldn’t have to go further than my computer, I quickly unpacked my bag and reached out to TSDF for an interview. Now, without further ado, here it is… The Geeks of the Round interview with The Spoiling Dead Fans!


Let’s start super simple but I warn, I’m jumping right to the juice after this. I know there are a few of you who post on the sites, Ninja & Shinyfirefly seem to be the most active, who exactly do I have the pleasure of chatting with?


This is Ninja… Well, NinjaPancake to be precise.


And a big hello to you today Mr or Mrs. Pancake. Are there any others mods I missed? I swear I’m not with the government or AMC. Ignore the fedora, it’s a loaner (from our own Matt Moore).


Haha! So Shiny and PrimeTolli are the owners. I’m the designated “Spoiler Chaser”. We also have about 10 other fantastic staff members that help keep our site running smooth!

Oh and I’m a Ms Pancake for the record.

I tried to think of a witty reply involving butter, because ya know… pancakes, but I failed. The elements are there but it’s just not connecting without sounding completely weird so instead let’s continue with the whole, “I’m not from the government” theme, can you tell us a little about the people behind the page? Stuff and thangs like, blood types, social security numbers, are you guys hardcore comic book / pop culture geeks and fanatics (like us) or are you more like the kindly librarian who happened to catch a bug for this one particular show and now here we are?


Sure! My SSN is 654–… Hey, wait a second!!! Hehe. Well I I think most of us qualify as your average pop culture nerd. Yet we are all special snowflakes, so that nerd spectrum varies amongst us. But the Walking Dead bug definitely bit us all in the ass (am I allowed to say that? Feel free to censor me, I’m kinda used to it right now BOOM! haha). We’re really just a few passionate fans that love to sit back, and geek out over all things Walking Dead with each other. Our community has basically become our own little paradise because let’s face it, our friends and family don’t want to hear us analyze and discuss our favorite character’s story arcs. So our site provides a nice little escape for our geekdom.


We get that for sure, that’s why we do what we do as well. There’s always someone out there who cares about what you have to say, sometimes you just have to look a little harder to find them but when you do it’s bears, beets, best. Have you guys ever considered spoiling other shows like say, Game of Thrones or maybe Game of Thrones?


Honestly, we have our hands full with The Walking Dead! And now with Fear the Walking Dead it’s like we gave birth to twins. We started a separate Facebook page for Fear spoilers and also have a dedicated section for it on our website. I think Watchers on the Wall has GOT covered. They do excellent work!


OK, let’s stop being friendly for a few minutes and get to some real journalism. Please and thank you. We can circle back to the lighter stuff after we’ve at least tried to make each other cry once or twice. I think you know what I’m going to bring up next, the big ol’ elephant in the room. What’s your favorite sausage?


That’s a really difficult question!! How about that artificial sausage that they put on McGriddles? Does that count?


Everything counts. This life only happens once but actually that was not the right question. You’ve recently been issued a threat of legal action from AMC for your spoiler posts. Can you tell me a little about that?


On June 7 a lawyer that represents AMC emailed us a cease and desist letter stating that we claimed we received “copyright protected, trade secret information about the most critical plot information in the unreleased next season of The Walking Dead.” However, we don’t really know where this claim is coming from and they failed to identify it. The only thing we did state is that we were working on confirming the victim and hoped to post our prediction in the coming weeks. There’s all kinds of legal ways to get these “confirmations” and even then, they are never 100% until the show airs. In their letter they basically stated that if we disclosed our “Lucille Victim” prediction and were correct that they would file a copyright lawsuit and seek money damages. So they basically shut that shit down just like Negan. We’re the little guys here. We don’t make a profit. We’re just a group of diehard fans and the depths of our pockets can never compete with a giant like AMC. So we don’t have much of a choice but to kneel. Yet we will still continue our set reports and normal spoilery business but we will be avoiding anything involving Lucille like the plague.


Made you kneel… Sounds like Negan to me. You have no choice but to obey at this point much like Rick. That said, you say you will still do the set reports and normal spoilery stuff but where does that leave something like process of elimination? Like, say if you report cast member A, B, C, D, E & F have been spotted on sets but cast member G…lenn hasn’t been seen all year along with perhaps another unnamed cast member. Can you post something like that or is that considered the “no no zone” by AMC’s legal team?


There were no demands regarding posting things people saw with their own eyeballs while observing the set in a public area. They can’t “Lucille” observation and deductive reasoning. So while we cannot disclose our take on how it plays out, we can at least state who we hear is on set and let our followers make their own assumptions. Now this does get tricky sometimes because eye witness reports aren’t always accurate. A fine example of that is a couple weeks ago several fans swore they saw Harold Perrineau on set. Needless to say, nope it sure wasn’t! Another nuance to throw in the mix is sometimes actors visit the set but they aren’t necessarily filming. That can throw us off sometimes unless they are spotted in costume. Then there’s other times that actors become stealthy ninjas and go undetected for long periods of time. So it can get difficult to get it all straight sometimes. In theory, if you follow filming tracking close enough and have mediocre deductive reasoning skills you might get a general idea on who it could be as the filming season progresses.


How about sock puppets!!? Can you make predictions using sock puppets?


Now that’s an avenue we haven’t considered. That could be a game changer! Actually, now that you have planted that in my brain I think we might actually switch to delivering all of our spoilers via sock puppets.


Is this the first time AMC has threatened legal action over your spoilers?


They have filed DMCA notices to get some of our content removed from our social media accounts in the past. However, this is the first time they have actually threatened us with a lawsuit.

Considering that, I have to ask… How’s it feel to be the big dog now? I think it’s safe to say AMC has deemed you and your audience a threat. Did you ever expect your community to blow up like this?


It terrifies me!! I much rather prefer to be the “little dog” that lurks in the shadows. I guess it does feel nice that we have basically been deemed “too accurate”. That means we have done our jobs well. I don’t think any of us quite expected our little community to blow up like it has. It’s been a crazy ride!


Did you expect such an extreme backlash? Besides the AMC fallout, what has been some of the other backlash you’ve dealt with by being a spoiler site?


I think this whole experience caught us a little off guard. We knew AMC likes to play dirty, but we did not think they would go to the extreme of threatening a lawsuit all because we wanted to share our prediction on who we think gets the bat. There’s always backlash from the “anti-spoiler community”. There’s plenty of people out there that hate spoilers and we respect that. We fully support the idea that everyone should be able to experience the show in a way that suits them best. So we understand people that don’t like spoilers. No hard feelings there at all. It would be great if it was simple as, “Ok, you stay on your side and don’t look at spoilers. Then we’ll stay over here on our side and enjoy our spoilers.” The problem arises when both sides mingle. There’s always that one asshole who will take our information and spread it where it’s not wanted. So a poor unfortunate soul avoiding spoilers might stumble across something they didn’t really want to see. When that happens we are automatically the scapegoat. “That damn spoiler site!!” Even though we strongly urge others to engage in spoiler etiquette and be mindful of where they are reposting our information, we simply cannot control the inconsiderate assholes of the universe.


From personal experience I can tell you, I never get spoiled by the spoiler sites unless I want to be. It’s always that random friend of a friend who sucker punches my dreams. Still, sites like yours end up the scapegoat. What happens if this isn’t the only thing you end up having to kneel to? What about the next big secret and the ones after that? If AMC tries to shut down not just your site’s ability to make educated predictions based off public information but your entire communities freedom to relish in that information, you really will be living out what’s happening on the screen. TSDF effectively becomes Alexandria. You moderators are Rick and the core cast. AMC’s legal team, The Saviors. And obviously we know who Negan is in this nightmare scenario but apparently process of elimination is a grey area so… what happens then when your community is essentially boiled down to a filtered promotional tool for the show? Basically I’m asking, are you along for the ride wherever it takes TSDF even if AMC cuts out the S entirely or will you fight if in a corner and forced?


We don’t exactly have a clear plan for that right now. We’re going to have to play things by ear and see what happens. A few lawyers have reached out to us since all this madness began. If AMC continues to be so aggressive then we might look more into our legal options. It is kind of interesting and ironic how our current situation sort of mirrors what’s happening in the show right now, isn’t it? We are up against a giant force that could crush us with one swift blow to our pockets. So do we want to gather the troops and start all out war? Or could we reach some sort of treaty and coexist in harmony with “Negan”? At this point, we just don’t know. I think it would be a bad idea to continue to shut down our spoilers. Whether the powers that be realize it or not, we keep the show at the tips of tongues and fingers 24/7. Our content helps generate discussion and hype for the show even in the off season. Very few shows have that going for them. Instead of trying to destroy us, it would probably benefit AMC more if they tried to tap into our potential.

OK, I pestered you enough at this point. I’m just going to ask you one more really rude question and then one more really polite question and then you can be rid of me. We’ll get the rude question out of the way because only a jerk would leave on a sour note, so here it is, what do you have to say to the fans of your site that are saying AMC slipped you guys a bucket of crispy thighs and a little side of dollar sign cole slaw? I’m not judging or expecting some sort of bumbling baddie’s accidental confession if this were in fact the case nor am I suggesting that it is but what would be your official statement to those who would suggest such a thing?


Our bank accounts do not reflect this statement. Neither do our buckets which are completely devoid of crispy thighs.

Final question. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck was not actually a woodchuck but in fact a highly skilled woodchucking professional? This is a serious question. I need to know.



At last!! An answer to one of life’s greatest mysteries. Thanks for doing this with us. Any final words for our readers or AMC for that matter?


We want to thank all of our fans for their overwhelming support during these dark times. It means the world to us! Also, to AMC – We are some of the Walking Dead’s biggest fans that always root for the success of the show. We never intend to cause harm. It’s a shame that you feel the need to be so aggressive to your fans especially when you could have taken a more diplomatic approach and could have achieved the same results. *Rings shame bell*

Shame indeed.





And that was it. With the ring of a bell that didn’t quite sound like a bell but more so like a saxophone blown by the devil himself in a Kenny G wig, Ms. NinjaPancake was gone. Personally, I think what AMC is doing is not protecting their fans from spoilers but protecting their own financial interest. You can argue it many ways but the most logical reason for that highly illogical (from a fan perspective) cliffhanger ending was not to make good entertainment but secure big ad dollars for the season 7 premiere. Making money is fine but when you’re as massive of an entity as The Walking Dead is, you don’t do it at the expense of your most loyal and devoted.
That’s all I’ve got. I’m Turd Grendle and this was an interview.
To learn more about The Spoiling Dead Fans, check out the following links before AMC puts a stop to them completely. 

Voltron Reassembled

Matt here –
First off I need to say that I was a huge fan of the original Voltron series and as I got older, as with many cartoons from that time, the quality diminished because I got older and expected more. So when Voltron Force came out, I was on board. It was a follow up to the original story (Voltron of the Far Universe) and introduced us to some new faces alongside some old ones. It was really good and it did not talk down to the people watching it because it realized that it was as much adults watching as kids because we grew up on Voltron. Voltron Force would have gotten 9 out of 10 stars from me if it stuck around long enough to get reviewed.

Voltron: Legendary Defender gets a 7 and only that high because its Voltron. It tells the story of how the team (individually known as paladins) came together and their first steps towards defeating the Galran’s and their king Zarkon who has been ruling practically the entire known universe for 10,000 years while Voltron (and its guardians Allura and Coran) slept. While I was attempting to ignore the absurdity of that while watching, now that I write it I realize just how ridiculous it is that Voltron (and again, its defenders) slept during the time it was needed the most.

The format of the show was 11 episodes at an hour each and it is essentially formatted out as if there were 6 two hour movies. A crisis would come up and it would not be resolved until at least two hours later. This made it a bit more difficult to binge watch because it is like 6 1/2 movies. A smaller format would have made for easier watching. Keep that in mind when you read other reviews that say its like returning to Saturday morning cartoons.
Now there is plenty good about it as well. Voltron itself was amazing and they didn’t make it easy for the paladins to learn to use him. So that was good. There are individual story lines that were pretty good as well. Pidge has a family story line that was pretty compelling, Lance and Keith had a fun rivalry going that kept things light often times and Hunks whole demeanor played pretty well. But there were just too many thing that didn’t play well. Rhys Darby has a super grating voice and they made him the main comedy relief. That made it difficult to watch when I first started. They swapped around some characters. Commander Keith is not a commander. That job has been replaced by a new character Shiro. Now Shiro’s story was actually pretty awesome, but it still takes quite a bit away from the nostalgia factor.

It is enjoyable, very much so. But it changes things that should not be changed and I am old and set in my ways. Its definitely worth a watch, just keep in mind it might take you a bit to do so.

Watch The First Four Minutes Of AMC’s Preacher

Matt here –
AMC decided to release the first four minutes of the the pilot of their new series Preacher. While it does start with it looking kinda 50’s sci-fi is, it gets much better very quickly. From the looks of it, other than minor details about the characters looks, it seems to be relatively accurate to the comics. But don’t take my word for it, check it out yourself!

So what did you think? Are you planning on checking it out? Let us know down below or discuss it in our new forums on Google Plus! Just click here!

Preacher premieres on AMC on May 22nd, 2016!

Game of Thrones Season 6 – A Sidesplitting Good Time!!

(Editors Note: There are spoilers in this article for the already aired episodes of this seasons Game of Thrones episodes)

I also considered, “Game of Thrones to Add LaughTrack for Season 7?” and “Game of Thrones: What the Funny?” as headlines for this piece but ultimately went with the (equally) uninspired one you see above. So what’s your beef, Todd? Well for one, I have a major beef with people who refer to themselves in the third person. That aside, my beef is not with the story of Game of Thrones this season (it’s kicking ass and taking names for the most part), my beef is with the writing and sitcom-like beats that seem to permeate this season so far. My beef is with the mind-boggling lack of tension.

It started with the Dothrakis and their gramma fucking jokes. Now don’t get me wrong, those jokes were funny as can but, to me, they seem so out of character. I’ve always seen the Dothraki as a brutal horde of desert warriors. No nonsense killing machines. Even their sex seemed to be very no nonsense. Just look at the stiff, no pun intended, sex scenes in season one between Drogo and Khaleesi. Dude was in and out with a fury. The nuts he busted were for procreation or clarity, he was there for making babies or just “getting the poison out”. But that could just be my interpretation. Besides, a couple of Dothraki cracking wise isn’t enough to base an opinion on.

Now by the end of the second episode, however, it feels like they are confirming my fears and aiming for chuckles and smirks every 5-8 minutes. Even when they are not making jokes there seems to be an overall lightness in the air this season. The show used to be full of pain and despair. Tragedy lurked around every corner. Death struck unexpected and wanton. At any given moment the viewers could have their hearts ripped out. Now? Not so much. Just look at the return of Jon Snow. I should have been on the edge of my seat and yet, I kind of just sat there squarely on my seat.

The most edge of the seat moment so far has been Tyrion and the dragons but… let’s be honest, someone either screwed up with the lore, they are abandoning the books completely or we just witnessed some really bad storytelling. Only those with dragon blood can touch a dragon without burning to death. Not sure if they made this rule clear in the show but if they haven’t and plan on keeping it, how? Is the Khaleesi going to show up, find out and go “Hey! you’re my cousin!” (Or will they have her call him Coursin Tyrie?) But I digress. This isn’t about books vs show. This is about studio execs overtaking the creative forces and pandering to the lowest common denominator. Game of Thrones is a mega hit and now that they’re planning a 7 and 8th season (albeit shorter seasons than normal) they need to protect their investments. They need to crack wise. There needs to be a joke every few minutes. The air must stay light or the scoundrels in general population will simply stop watching. So quit your crying, Todd. This show is no longer meant for your kind. It’s for the people of Earth and the people of Earth really, REALLY, love watching 2 Broke Girls.

When Ramsay goes to Castle Black to kill Jon Snow and overthrow the watch, he’s going to be in for one hell of a surprise when he finds out the watch already killed him. He’ll be even more surprised to find not only did Jon Snow die but he came back and now he’s got thousands of Wildlings and a fucking giant in his posse… In the Game of Thrones of yore Ramsay wouldn’t have time to process these feels as the aforementioned giant would squash his guts and bones beneath his bare toes quite unceremoniously. Sadly, I can all but bet if that scene actually happened while the producers hold the pens, he would most definitely find time for a “this stinks” or a “looks like I’m about to be in a jam” (GET IT!?!?!? TOE JAM!!!) before meeting his end under the foot of that giant. This won’t happen, of course, those days of left field comeuppance are behind us. The Bastards Snow will battle, face to face, with swords and quips swinging and the people of Earth will rejoice, predictably.

I’m not going to stop watching the show because as I began this piece by saying, the story itself is a ton of fun and I can’t wait to see what wacky adventures our merry bands of heroes and villains have in their futures. I’ve always loved cheese and campy crowd pleasers and I pretty much have been feeding off of sitcoms like a parasite since I hatched from an egg so many moons ago so there’s no way I’m jumping ship with so much fun on the horizon… but I guess that’s my “problem”, I never thought this show was supposed to be “fun”.

SHOCKING EVIDENCE That POINTS to Who {Spoiler} {Spoiled} in The Walking Dead Season 6 Finale!!

I’ve cracked the code!!! I think!! After processing my extreme anger over the absolutely needless cliffhanger ending Scott Gimple and gang so lovingly gave us for the Walking Dead season 6 finale, I sat down and dissected Negan’s twisted game of eenie meenie miney moe. My results are SHOCKINGLY conclusive.

First I want to state I am only dealing with the facts. Definitive moments when Negan pointed his bat at one in the line up along with a verbal punctuation ie. eenie, meenie, and so on.

First let’s look at our line up.


From left to right we have, Glenn, Rosita, Daryl, Michonne, Abraham, Maggie, Rick, Sasha, Aaron, Carl & Eugene.

Watch the final scene with your hand on your remote control (perverts) as we continue. The game begins with Rick…

Eenie. Rick


Meenie. Maggie


Miney. Abraham


Moe. Michonne.


Catch a tiger. Daryl.


By the toe. Sasha.


If he hollers. Aaron.


Let him go. Carl.


Now here’s where they try to three card monty us a little bit. My mother, Negan says, as the camera goes back to Aaron. Then we go back to Carl for the “To Pick” part and then it’s back on track to the…

Very Best. Eugene.


Now with ultimate grace and wizard feet, Negan jumps across the lineup over to…

You Are. Rosita.





That’s all that’s left. It. And if you’ve been watching the scene while reading this you’ll clearly see the above moments are the only definite times Negan pointed his bat at someone during a major part of the eenie meenie miney moe and there is an absolute walking order or pattern in which Negan is pointing his bat. So who is left? Who is it?


Glenn. He’s the only one who does not meet all the same beats as the rest of the line up. He is the clear “it” in this game. If you add all of this to the already existing, and brilliant, theory that we saw earlier POV shots of the victim in the episode from the back of the van that held Glenn, Daryl, Michonne and Sasha, you’d almost have to call this theory a home run. Knocked straight out of the park.

Agree or disagree?  Let us know in the comments, and keep it locked to Geeks of the Round for continuing news on The Walking Dead and much, much more!

The Big Lie – How Very Little Is Connected In The MCU

“It’s all connected”.

That’s what Marvel told us. That the MCU movies were connected to the broadcast tv shows, and later, the Netflix tv shows. For a little while it was true. We had two Asgardians on Agents of SHIELD, Phil Coulson would name drop Captain America at times and Daredevil even mentioned the Battle of New York. That, however has stopped. With exception to references already made (ie. The Battle of New York) and one villain (Malik on Agents of Shield), cross references have come to a stand still. Netflix shows reference other Netflix shows, Agents of Shield references nothing at all, and of course the movies only acknowledge what happen in the movies. (I am ignoring Peggy Carter because it is not in the current time frame, but I will admit it does make the most references with a view of the future of Stark Enterprises and Roxxon).

So lets break it down. Captain America: Winter Soldier was the last major crossover. There were two minor crossovers for Avengers: Age of Ultron, one regarding Loki’s scepter, but no one that is part of The Avengers knew of SHIELD’s involvement. Before that Raina foresaw Ultron’s arrival but then SHIELD was not involved. There has been nothing since then and nothing at all this season of Agent’s of Shield. The one crossover from the movies to the tv show that IS happening now is Malik, who is a member of the world council, which was in Captain America: Winter Soldier, making it an old reference.

In both seasons of Daredevil and the one season of Jessica Jones, there has been occasional reference to The Battle of New York. There have even been references to the physical attributes of a couple Avengers, but there have been NO NAMES mentioned at all of anyone outside the Netflix shows. None whatsoever. Now mind you, within the Marvel movie universe, The Avengers have their own action figures. Phil Coulson has the whole set (as revealed in episode 110 of Agents of Shield “The Bridge). People know who the Avengers are. Yet they never talk about them by name? But even that I can forgive, I mean.. its a big world and the chances of all these various heroes running into each other is small right? RIGHT??

A vast majority of the Marvel Universe’s heroes live in or near the island of Manhattan in New York. SHIELD used to be stationed there, all the Netflix heroes live there, most of the Avengers have homes there (though many of them have multiple homes). Excluding The Fantastic 4 and X-Force because they are not part of the continuity (they also live on the island of Manhattan), this map is still a bit ridiculous.

New York

I put this together based on what we know from the movies. What we don’t know for sure, I filled in using comic book references. However even if my locations are not 100% MCU accurate, they are still on that island, so the point still stands. If a crime happens anywhere on or near Manhattan island, MANY heroes will be asking one another “You got this? Or should I take this one?”. These heroes KNOW EACH OTHER. Jessica Jones even states it pretty clearly: “You wanted to know how many of us there are? The last time I counted, I had 99 gifted friends, in this borough alone.“. Now she might have been lying. However she WAS briefly part of a superhero team. So she knows other heroes. But still, she does not name a single one. So where are the Avengers when a ninja clan has taken over a building? Where is Ant-Man when a man talks an entire police station into putting guns to their own heads? Where is Doctor Strange when the purest cut of heroin starts streaming onto the streets of Manhattan? Where is Hawkeye when a single man takes over all the crime in New York City? Where is Captain America when a vigilante starts gunning bad guys down in the street?

Why is this? Why is Marvel intentionally not name dropping to the point that they are ignoring the fact that all of these people live mere minutes from each other and would literally run into each other all the time? I can understand that Marvel can’t bring in Chris Evans to do an episode of Daredevil, that makes sense. However just asking the question would make this less of a slap in the face to the idea of “It’s all connected”. Here’s an example.

Foggy: “I don’t know how you’re going to survive this Matt, you should get in touch with Spider-man, I hear he’s dealt with this before! Plus, he you can probably find him really easily, he swings around Times Square just two blocks from here all the time. You can probably track him with your super hearing.”
Daredevil: “No, I must do this alone, FOR JUSTICE!”

It’s that simple.

So what do you think? Is this annoying you as much as it annoys me? Let us know in the comments!